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Aikido is a very real and a very effective martial art. If the people did not flip intentionally with the technique, then they would be subject to broken joints and damaged arms and legs. The opponents willingness to follow through with the technique instead of resisting it allows a fast recovery and preservation of their health. The principle is to use your opponents momentum, strength and center of gravity against them. To all of you trying to match this against the UFC, you can't, nor can you compare UFC with true martial arts. UFC is a sport. True martial arts techniques are meant to end the fight with one technique if not kill. hence it is refered to as self-defense, not fighting. If i was attacked i would not brawl on the street. I would aim to break the knee, kick to the shin, strike the solar plexus, attack the neck and things of that nature. If you have ever done a real Martial art, then you would know that the UFC isn't even close to "as real as it gets". (FYI, i love watching UFC, but as a sport, because thats all it is.) Every fighter is good at what they do, but thats their limit. In reality, no matter how hard you punch, or how well you brawl, it takes only one strike to a vital area to bring you down, one technique that locks your joints and causes you pain to stop you in your tracks and if a UFC fighter is unlucky to ever face a true martial artist in unrestricted combat, then i would really worry for the safety of the UFC fighter. Aikido, shotokan, jiu jitsu, hapkido, judo, wu shu, tai chi and more styles of classical martial arts have had a following for centuries and for good reason because many of the techniques and principles of these martial arts have been implemented in military training and are used to this very day, so please, instead of disrespecting somebody's demonstration of a martial art that seems strange to you, do a bit of research and show that person some respect for knowing more than you.
By maximus55669 1223069756 Reply Spam [+1] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveAs far as I know, and I am too young to have been there, but many in the Amercican military went to Japan after WW2 to study martial arts with the Japanese because they were shocked how effortlessly the masters over there could defeat them. Some of the most battle hardened Marines became students of Aikido and other classical Japanese Budo. Obviously there is something to it. To see the possibilities of what Aikido could do to the human body, I suggest watching some of Steven Seagal's old movies. Not that its any way of representing Aikido, but the way they filmed the joint locks and breaks was done well, in my opinion, in those old movies.
By khanqueror 1223406447 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThere has been long debate over the orthodox fighter and the unorthodox fighter. There is no clear answer. The fear I have is the uninformed minds watching UFC and thinking a Japanese style or Chinese style practitioner has no chance against a professional fighter, OR visa versa, they are not appreciating the true art of BOTH the fighter and Martial Artist. Both beautiful in their own right, and 2 different goals. The uki has to fall correctly for the benefit of the person performing the throws, locks, manipulations, NOT because he will get hurt, but for the reason of helping his fellow student to learn. The uki can easily step out, shift balance, use force to not conform to the throwand be perfectly safe. I feel these videos do a disservice to the arts by presenting this as "he falls so he doesn't get hurt, just look at my throwing capabilties" video and not as " I am using proper technique and the uki is assisting me in learning" I am a Judoka and Ju Jitsu player. I have a little experience (about 23 yrs worth) and understand Judo is also a sport not a self defence, though it can be used as SD it is a sport. oh and in reference to the Green Beret and the MMA fighter fighting if there are no rules it will forever be a toss up, because a good Green Beret is likley trained to kill and not submit or knockout the opponent. But we could put a ton of "what ifs" in here. Thank you for the video, keep spreading the art. Forgive my spelling and grammar.
By amadrigalme 1223287639 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThanks for the comment, very insightful. I have not even trained half as long as you have, so I am grateful for the knowledge you have shared with us here. The relationship between Tori and Uke is very misunderstood, even by those who are training in the arts.
By khanqueror 1223405860 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveMany people seem to forget that Japanese Budo originally came from wielding weapons. Imagine a UFC fighter versus and armed Samurai with a sword. Now these days you will not see people walking around with swords, but you have people that adapted those sword techniques to use with a pocket knives, canes, mace, guns or whatever modern equivalent you can find. The empty handed techniques come from using weapons. I respect the UFC and mixed martial arts fighters because they train hard and are warriors and nothing to be messed with reckelessly. A person training in Budo can not wrestle with a grappler and hope to win. Its not possible, if you play into their game. As you said, you have to go for a break or kill right away, becuase budoka are not looking for a tap out. Also you can take enough distance so you can draw your weapons, or be very unorthodox to throw the mma guy off his game. You can not play by the rules in a real fight, thats why so many Budo, kung fu, etc. fail when they step into a mma ring. Budo will never work inside a ring. Imagine this: Take a trained Special Forces Army Green Beret and put him into the MMA ring against a decent MMA fighter, the soldier would get wrecked and pummeled. Now take that MMA guy and put him in the middle of Afghanistan and see how long he survives?
By khanqueror 1223071884 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removethat soldier is using techniques refined by styles like judo, aikido, and karate and even tai chi. Wrist locks, disarming techniques, and killing blows were developed, refined and perfected by the masters of old. Aikido is best defined by a martial art that fully embraces the laws of physics, keniceology (sorry if i mispelled), and anatomy. If a person is moving forward, then by guiding his action, displaces his balance and makes it easier to direct their fall. By shifting your balance and bending their elbow/wrist against the joints natural motion will create a situation where if the person does not yield, their joint will fail. If this martial art was not true, there wouldn't be such a respected and long lasting following.
By maximus55669 1223074374 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThis is training. The point of Aikido is to take a ot of force and condense it into a very small area. So, grabbing someone's arm and shoulder and trying to flip them - if the dude resists all that force is focused into a joint or bone and his arm will keep going and the bone will snap. In training you obviously need to figure out a way to practice without breaking bones and shit. That's what is going on in this video.
Aikido is a very destructive martial art - it's used in life or death situations and is very useful against an attacker who has a weapon.
Someone mentioned old Steven Seagal movies - I think it's the film "Hard to Kill" where Seagal shows some of the more to-the-point techniques in aikido where you just smack the guy in the throat so hard he is thrown backwards. In that first scene it's apparent the power of proper technique, and how destructive it could be if you did more than just hitting the opponent. In other words, if you did most of the techniques here, you'd break at least one bone of the attacker. Also a warning: most Steven Seagal movies are total hokey crap. He got fat, and even tries kicks to add flash to his later movies, but the dude is very good with Aikido. The movie stuff is just stupid, but he really could kill you if he wanted. I think he's an ex Navy Seal as well, so there you go. His movies still blow though =)
Aikido is for killing or disabling the opponent. Jiu Jitsu is good for submitting an opponent without permanent damage - choking is pretty reliable in that you can disable the opponent long enough to run your ass away.
But Aikido is more about destroying your opponent. Breaking bones, dislocating joints, gouging out eyes, grabbing their windpipe and ripping it out. It's harsh stuff to practice - most longtime instructors have no feeling left in their forearms, wrists, and hands because over time you calcify bones and toughen skin, and nerve endings are destroyed from trauma. It's pretty painful but a very interesting way of life, and the art itself is no joke, even though the necessary safety in training (sometimes over the top throws) movies might make it look "fake".
This is regarding the Kimbo fight. I was discussing with my friend about the so called Kimbo knockout. My friend had trained in Aikido, Gracie Jujutsu, MMA, and etc. From his viewpoint he said that Petruzelli, caught Kimbo on a charge and hit him slightly not hard enough for a KO but just enough to take his balance. As Kimbo's entire weight shifted, he was able to take the advantage and finish him. Both of us wondered how many people could see that ! Taking of balance, and using the others momentum against the opponent is always present in Budo. We also discussed that Petruzelli had no time to prepare to fight Kimbo, if he had would he have changed his strategy and ultimately lose? Because he had no time to prepare, he was in the moment and did what he had to.
By khanqueror 1223407827 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveUnlike some others here,I wont immediately call "fake" on this video.It takes training to fall correctly so you will not be hurt.And clearly,this is a DEMONSTRATION on various holds,locks,and throws,not an actual battle.
That said,I have to voice my opinion on the merits of this art form as far as fighting goes. I dont believe it works very well against a skilled opponent. If it did,you'd see alot more of it in UFC or TapOut,or some other full contact ultimate fighting forum. Every fight I've seen,or even been in,utimately devolved into a wrestling match on the ground where the winner was the person who matched strength with skill. Unless of course you happen to get in that lucky shot and lay a person out with a kick or punch
I appreciate your comments, and thanks for keeping an open mind. Like I said in another post. Budo will not work in a ring of any sorts. This why you see so many classical martial arts fail in the UFC. I know a corrections officer at Rikers Island, NY. He said many fight break out and guys who try the MMA stuff nearly end up dead. Especially when you have gangs of people kicking and stomping you as you are wrestling with one dude. Also he said many guys get shanked as they are trying to sweep and go for a take down. This is not say that MMA does not work, cause I have seen in it work, but I believe the mindset is wrong and potentially get you killed. I have friends training in MMA and they have a very closed mind, and can not think outside of the box. Strategy, adaptation, cunning seem to be lost on these guys.
By khanqueror 1223407220 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveIt is truly amazing!.... these skills feel like magic when used... you see a very strong person that can be thrown meters away with just a complex yet simple looking technique... 5* more plz
By see4kill 1222848467 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removei wish if i can get the ability to do that
By son of sdddam 1222764101 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveIf you truly wish to have this abiity seek it out and one day you will aquire. Just train and in time you will have it.
By khanqueror 1222765755 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removewishing achieves little.
effort and practice (and, if possible, a good teacher) is the only way!
Applied knowledge is. Thanks for the comment!
By khanqueror 1222865028 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveYou think you can actually knock them down in the real fight.
Have u ever been to a street fight? It's not simple as u think.
This is totally useless.
You want to know how to fight? Lear mix-martial art.
The bloke in the black dress is very obviously doing a deliberate somersault - he is not being thrown. This is really very silly.
By literate 1222861813 Reply Spam [-1] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removethe ukemi (falling) from aiki techniques is not "fake" but it is intentional.
If the person receiving the technique resists it he can be hurt.
The only way to "unlock" many of the locks is to go with them.
Go to a good aiki dojo and feel them for yourself if you think they are "fake" :)
This is either combat or dancing. If it is combat then one person tries a move and the other one tries to stop him. If one person makes a move and the other one just makes it look pretty, that is dancing.
Imagine the stink if boxers pulled this kind of fakery.
aren't fighting each other, they are practicing budo.
If you think it is dancing - that is OK :)
If you want to know more about it you could try it.. you might be surprised.. if you don't want to, that is OK too :)
Thanks for the follow up. I agree with what you said. Unfortunately many people have not been on the receiving end and dont realize the consequences of resistence.
By khanqueror 1222879028 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removewhich is why beginners suffer so much unneccessary pain, isn't it :)
Aiki is like life, isn't it, we need to know when to resist and when to go with the flow. When to be firm and when to be soft and adapt as required.
Love it!!!!!!
:)
It may look silly but there are certain principles that you can learn from. If not at least you know what not to do. I been on the receiving end, and once your kuzushi (balance) is taken its hard not to fall. Also the sensei here was in a very bad auto wreck, lucky to be alive, and in severe back and neck pain, but still perservered to do this demo.
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